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We know, that some random games is unfair(for example dead monk sap vs tit, or scramble sap vs khral and many others. Now it's time yo know players who likes play unfair game.

If you get unfair game, write in chat "unfair! " and offer to draw peace. If your opponent don't want to draw, write his name here. We should know this shameful heroes

And don't forget to write what map was unfair.

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Talone - please post a list of map/race combinations that you think are fair?

I can think of very few.
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  lion1 wrote: Talone - please post a list of map/race combinations that you think are fair?

I can think of very few.


Fair combinations are much more, than unfair.

99% of one race games are fair.

Most of big maps are fair, sometimes difficult (like rubikon sap vs khral) but not unfair.

So we should make the list of unfair combinations, but not difficult combinations.

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[1] Blue sap vs red krahl on scramble.
[2] Red sap/khral vs blue khral on starvation.
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  ignotus wrote: [1] Blue sap vs red krahl on scramble.
[2] Red sap/khral vs blue khral on starvation.



Obviously most same race matches are fair. I meant to list fair matches that are not same race.

I am not an expert on scramble, but I think blue saps should beat red khrals.
I think red saps should destroy blue Khrals on Starvation - send me a game invite if you disagree.

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ok then, here is my (partial) list of unfair matches.
Send me game invites if anyone thinks they can prove me wrong.

I am ignoring same race matches (since I dont like them) and naval matches (since the ships will often alter the balance between races).

Deadmonk - Titans beats Saps, Khrals beat titans, Saps beat Khrals.
Wildplanes - Titans beat saps. Saps beat Khrals. Red Khrals beat blue titans, red titans beat blue khrals.
Chato Hill - Saps beat Khrals, Titans beat saps, Khrals beat titans.
Great Wall - titans beat saps. Red saps beat blue khrals, red Khrals beat blue saps, Khrals beat titans.
Starvation - Saps beat everything. Khrals beat titans.
Bog - Khrals beat titans. Probably even between Saps and Khrals. Titans beat saps.
Laguna - Khrals beat titans. Titans beat saps. Saps beat Khrals.
Hurtgen Forest - Saps beat Khrals. Khrals beat Titans. Saps beat Titans.
Forest Walk - Khrals beat titans. Saps beat Khrals. Probably even between saps and titans.
River Runs - Probably one of the most balanced maps. Not sure who wins. May be a tie.
Rubicon - Khrals beat titans. About even between saps and Titans. Khrals beat saps (after 200 turns).
Scramble - I think saps always win, but Talone is the expert on this map.
Thermopylae - Saps beat Khrals. Khrals beat Titans. Titans and saps should be even.
Desolate - Saps beat titans. Red khrals beat blue saps. Red saps beat blue khrals. Khrals beat titans.
Goldrush - I think saps always win.


As you can see, almost no fair matches when we exclude same race and naval matches.
Also note that Titans never beat Khrals.



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Desert isle was the most balanced map on the entire game and the morons at TBS banned that from rated games, the fucking morons over there also banned 2 close which was e 2nd most balanced.

Some levels do favor one race, like home games favor the home team, that doesn't mean there unfair and road teams win all the time.

If you want to adress unfair , stop the bot trick, creating a 3 player game and understanding the bots tendencies to attack one position. Taking the other open position and basically having a 2v1 game to help you win.

The +2000 players also use that bot trick to circumvent the scoring rules. I beat a 2000 as a 1800 I get 9 points or so. That same 2000 beats me with a 1200 bot in the game, I lose 17 to both the bot at the 2000. How the Fuck is that fair TBS..

Fix that bullshit rank pumping trick and bring back the maps u banned nexus your too stupid to understand the game.. Morons
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  lion1 wrote:

ok then, here is my (partial) list of unfair matches.


Dificuit is not unfair. Unfair - is when no chance, even a little.

So:

Deadmonk - Titans beats Saps, Khrals beat titans, Saps beat Khrals.


yes, UNFAIR

Wildplanes - Titans beat saps. Saps beat Khrals.


yes, UNFAIR

Red Khrals beat blue titans, red titans beat blue khrals.


not shure, not unfair

Chato Hill - Saps beat Khrals, Titans beat saps, Khrals beat titans.


yes, UNFAIR

Great Wall - titans beat saps.


UNFAIR

Red saps beat blue khrals, red Khrals beat blue saps, Khrals beat titans.


difficult, but not unfair

Starvation - Saps beat everything.


UNFAIR

Khrals beat titans.


difficult, but not unfair

Bog - Khrals beat titans.Titans beat saps.


UNFAIR

Probably even between Saps and Khrals.


NOT unfair

Laguna - Khrals beat titans.


may be


Titans beat saps.


NO!!! saps beat titans, but difficult. NOT unfair

Saps beat Khrals.


not fact. Not unfair, difficult


Hurtgen Forest - Saps beat Khrals.


NO!!! Khral beat saps, but difficult. NOT unfair


Khrals beat Titans.


Yes, UNFAIR

Saps beat Titans.


Yes, but not unfair, difficult.

Forest Walk - Khrals beat titans.

Not fact. Very dificult for titans, but not unfair. I win as titan many times.

Saps beat Khrals.


Absolutly UNFAIR

Probably even between saps and titans.


Very dificult, but not unfair


River Runs - Probably one of the most balanced maps. Not sure who wins. May be a tie.


Not unfair

Rubicon - Khrals beat titans. About even between saps and Titans. Khrals beat saps (after 200 turns).


difficult, but not unfair.

Scramble - I think saps always win, but Talone is the expert on this map.


Sap not always win. Blue khral ALWAYS win red sap. ALL other combinations NOT unfair, but some of them are difficult. One of the most balanced map.


Thermopylae - Saps beat Khrals. Khrals beat Titans. Titans and saps should be even.


dont know, play few times.


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Desolate - Saps beat titans.


dificult, but not unfair

Red khrals beat blue saps.


dificult, but not unfair

Red saps beat blue khrals. Khrals beat titans.


dificult, but not unfair

Goldrush - I think saps always win.


Yes, but not unfair, dificult

Also note that Titans never beat Khrals.


Dont agree.


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Ok Talone, so based on your reply, I would be happy to play with you any of the following game invitations:

Greatwall - Khral vs. Titans.
Starvation - Khral vs. Titans.
Laguna - Sap vs. Khrals
Hurtgen Forest - Sap vs Khrals
Forest Walk - Khral vs. Titans
Rubicon - Khral vs. Saps and Khral vs. Titans (we already played this once, remember?)

Please let me know which one(s) you want?
And my invitation extends to other top players as well.


Also, can you please list the specific maps where you think Titans beat Khrals and are willing to prove it by playing?
(non-naval maps please)
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  lion1 wrote:
  ignotus wrote: [1] Blue sap vs red krahl on scramble.
[2] Red sap/khral vs blue khral on starvation.



Obviously most same race matches are fair. I meant to list fair matches that are not same race.

I am not an expert on scramble, but I think blue saps should beat red khrals.
I think red saps should destroy blue Khrals on Starvation - send me a game invite if you disagree.



But I wrote this same:
[1] Blue sap beat red khral
[2] Red sap or khral beat blue khral.

Khral vs khral on starvation is not as balanced as other "in race" games.

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Lion, i'm not on the top, but can show you how khrals can beat sap on HurtgenForest.
Inv me, if you interested. I can't creat new games on my phone (except random), so can't invite you.
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Those 3 player games and the ones suited to the starting player of one race seem to be the only games I ever see up to play. I did just start 3 days ago though.
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Have you guys (lion and talone) played yet?
I'm curious to know the outcome of the games.

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  nfong wrote: Have you guys (lion and talone) played yet?
I'm curious to know the outcome of the games.


Yes, we have probably played about 10 games so far, using various race/map combo's.
I'd say we each won about half the games.

I don't mind posting the specific outcomes, but only if Talone agrees.

Right now we have 1 game going: RiverRuns. Me as Titans, Talone as Saps.

My posting above lists a lot of map-race combos that I would be happy to play against any top players - but so far I have very few takers.


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