simsverd wrote:You are looking at it to narrowly. You have to consider the overall race balance, and it is pretty well balanced now. Many of the top players believe that the fuze is ok as it is. Its probably more useful in larger groups than as a standalone unit.
I dont know where you got the idea of saps being a "quick race".. i have not seen that description anywhere...

We might consider move and defence buff, but its not a priority atm.

  simsverd wrote:
You are looking at it to narrowly. You have to consider the overall race balance, and it is pretty well balanced now. Many of the top players believe that the fuze is ok as it is. Its probably more useful in larger groups than as a standalone unit.
I dont know where you got the idea of saps being a "quick race".. i have not seen that description anywhere...

We might consider move and defence buff, but its not a priority atm.

  Pento wrote:
@ simsverd
By the way: when is a top player a top player? What has to be fulfilled to be one?
Always when we talk about the balancing / qualities of units you refer that the top players see it different and are fine with the units how they are.
Seems no one in the forum has the quality to judge the units and the game.

  simsverd wrote:
We have a "uniwar balance group" with some of the best players in the game. We discuss and decide balance changes and consulting Xavi on the bigger changes. Currently consisting of Gout, Kroeger, Vogon jeltz and myself (my role is more of a coordinator). We plan to add more members to that group of similar skill-level in the near future.

  Pento wrote:
But still fuze is useless and the balance would be fine/the same as well if the Sapiens wouldn't have the fuze and T / K would have salamander and Mantisse.
It's so easy to kill fuze, even easier than killing a marine.

  dr. pepper wrote:I think everyone understands that overall balance is important, but it's also important to compare units of the same class with similar credits. When you're evaluating balance on a map that has lots of swamps and reefs, and the Fuze is underpowered when compared to the Mantisse and Salamander, that would definitely contribute to Sapiens struggling on these types of maps.

In another thread, I pointed out that the Sapiens have less anti-air options (the Fuze and Bopper are both quite weak against air) than other races and this is especially true on maps with swamps and reefs where marines are not a viable anti-air unit. My complaint was that Sapiens are forced into a single strategy consisting of Helis + Marauders when their opponent is a Khraleans player.

For reference, here are the options both races have for decent anti-air damage:

Sapiens
Marines
Marauders
Helis
Batteries

Titans
Mecha
Speeders
Plasma Tanks
Eclipse
Mantisse
Guardian
Walker

I think everybody would also acknowledge that Batteries and Walker are a lot more situational and not always viable dependent on the map, etc. So take away marines and batteries (smaller swampy / reefy map) and you're left with 2! units to deal with anti-air. That's ridiculous...

  Kohtar wrote:Fuze is actually pretty good in SvS whenever there are chokepoints or favourable terrain. I lost two tourney games due to not using enough fuze. Yes, it is weak, but it killd infantry with no counterdamage. If you can protect it well enough it can easily be worth its price.