Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

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Sep 23, 2015 16:46

Subject: Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

Unitoch

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In Khralean vs. Khralean battles, I've had this tried against me, and tried it against others, and I've yet to see the strategy lose. Basically, build Swarmers almost every chance you get, possibly with an Infector in a safe spot to help heal. Once somebody has a 3-4 on the board, it's very difficult to counter.

There's only three units that can hit them sufficiently - Garudas, Wyrms, and Swarmers. Every time I've tried Garudas, 3-4 Swarmers will mass and combine to take out each Garuda. Meanwhile, when I attack, I get dinged a little bit every time, which adds up and makes it that much easier for the Swarmers to take it down. Wyrms are both vulnerable and difficult to protect.

So far, the best defense I've found is to counter with the same strategy. I've never gotten this far into a battle, but I suppose after ~10 full strength swarmers, better to add a couple Garudas and a Wyrm in there when you can finally protect them.

But this feels a bit cheeseball. Is there a better/more efficient counter?

Sep 27, 2015 17:40

Subject: Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

volf

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Just build swarmers. All day long. Swarm swarm swarm. Boring but works. Worst matchup of the game. Devs are working on making it better!

Sep 28, 2015 21:45

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

waxoid

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If there's water, levis can compete here (depending on layout and positioning of course). You can also try using small numbers of Garuda around the edges (protecting them from too many swarmers hitting them in counter-strike). Bases can help with this (swarmers can only move two spaces if there is a base in the way).

In terms of fighting swarm vs. swarm well, look up the post on here about ranged gang-up.

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Jan 01, 2016 12:55

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

amidama

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Just spam swarmers. no other ways really...

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Jan 03, 2016 06:53

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

Apercent

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*Cough Cough pinzers Pinzers Pinzers PINZERS Cough Cough*

I'm kind of surprised to see a 2015 post here

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Apr 25, 2016 16:24

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

wookieontheweb

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I was wondering the exact same thing.

I have found though that it is map dependent. After being destroyed by a Swarmer storm I thought I'll try that. What I found was if the map is small and/or the credits per turn is right then Garudas can eat into the swarm before it gets going and there's nowhere for them to run and hide.

Bigger maps swarmers always seem to annihilate the Garuda player and its usually too late to change tactic.

Pinzers though are very effective unless the swarm has got really big, wish I had worked that out sooner!

Apr 25, 2016 21:24

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

TheDragon

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Will be interesting to watch needle/Evr tourny final KvK

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Apr 30, 2016 04:35

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

Selexcis

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i think most experienced players will agree in the KvK tourney who have survived this far, will agree (that in map 1 and 2), a safely spawned garuda (that is not in range of an enemy swarmer) works very well when used in conjunction with other swarmers that are being used as blockers. The occasional underling that blocks an important flight path is also well worth a 100 credits. I found players who built only swarmers and neglected early underlings or garudas were overpowered quite easily. This agrees with a previous post that observed that smaller maps support garudas,

Jun 19, 2016 09:15

Subject: Re:Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

Uniwarpoland

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Here you can watch why Swarmer is better than garuda if you know how to play correctly:
Swarmer tutorial

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Jul 08, 2017 02:22

Subject: Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

ghorezur

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I am happy that this does not apply anymore borfly and salamander can be use to efectibly counter swarmer spam (depending on the map)

Mar 29, 2018 17:10

Subject: Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

keymaster2

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even with the gang up bonus with a pinzer on a plain tile would only deal 1 damage to the pinzer.only problem with pinzer is the fact it only deals around 4 damage at full healt.if there are lots of swarmers,1 6hp swarmer won't make any difference. also pinzers are expensive and will be hard to use in maps with mountains

Feb 22, 2021 12:55

Subject: Khral vs. Khral - How to stop Swarmer spam?

sparadrap

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For me, against swarmers you need swarmer with some borfly. and against garuda the salamanders are very effective

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