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Think about it, Fuze is now the new Marauder. It has the range, the firepower, and worst of all, it has the numbers to steamroll pretty much anything!
I made sample tests on 4 Fuzes vs a Hydronaut, turns out that the 4 Fuzes win on both attacking 1st AND attacking 2nd, same with fighting against Destroyers!
There you have it, boys, we got our new meta D:
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I agree that the fuze seems quite strong. Salamander with no range seems weakest. I didn't do any tests with aerial units though but that would not help Titans.
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Fuze and mantisse are both just BETTER swarmers... with terrain bonus and considering their cost, they're like better than swarmers ever were pre nerf.
So, I'm changing all of my teams and no longer playing as khral until they get sorted out.
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LkASr
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Duaneski wrote:Fuze and mantisse are both just BETTER swarmers... with terrain bonus and considering their cost, they're like better than swarmers ever were pre nerf.
So, I'm changing all of my teams and no longer playing as khral until they get sorted out.
lol, it changes, it's back to team Sapien vs team Titan all over again 
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Pento
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Fuze is a waste of money.
I like the idea, but it's too weak. No harm for anything except Infanterie.
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dr. pepper
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Pento wrote:Fuze is a waste of money.
I like the idea, but it's too weak. No harm for anything except Infanterie.
It does seem to be a niche unit. And as you pointed out, it's a paper weight if it takes any counter damage.
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It's a great unit overall, just don't leave it open to speedy units, it'll not end well for them
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Perhaps I am a little close minded, but whatfor is it good? Might be on a swamp map you can use it properly. But on actual maps....?!
Gives no damage to anything. Even if you keep it in second row it won't help because of the silly damage it causes, especially for the credits.
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Pento wrote:Perhaps I am a little close minded, but whatfor is it good? Might be on a swamp map you can use it properly. But on actual maps....?!
Gives no damage to anything. Even if you keep it in second row it won't help because of the silly damage it causes, especially for the credits.
2 words: cheap gangup
in seriousness, they cost 200, they can attack at 1-2, and have some ap values against gls and aquatics. 4 Fuzes can devour a Hydronaut with little losses same with destroyers, but to a lesser extent, and also they're pretty effective at weakening, if not killing mountain men and blaster units. 200 with a 1-2 range is more tham it seems
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Of the three amphibian units, it seems to be the weakest now that the salamander was buffed. I'm not exactly sure what makes the fuze stand out compared to the other two.
It has the worst damage output, worst defense strength. worst armor piercing, and tied for the worst mobility. Its' one advantage over the salamander is that it can attack from 2 range. Its' one advantage over the mantisse is that is costs 50 credits less.
Neither of which means all that much when you compare it with all the other advantages of the other amphibians by comparison.
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dr. pepper wrote:Of the three amphibian units, it seems to be the weakest now that the salamander was buffed. I'm not exactly sure what makes the fuze stand out compared to the other two.
It has the worst damage output, worst defense strength. worst armor piercing, and tied for the worst mobility. Its' one advantage over the salamander is that it can attack from 2 range. Its' one advantage over the mantisse is that is costs 50 credits less.
Neither of which means all that much when you compare it with all the other advantages of the other amphibians by comparison.
I'd rather take the 200 credit option than using the 250 with the same repair values. For me, Salamanders are now pretty effective units, only if pitted against melee units and it's also not so useful against Swarmer spams in kvk despute the aerial buff.
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LkASr wrote:
dr. pepper wrote:Of the three amphibian units, it seems to be the weakest now that the salamander was buffed. I'm not exactly sure what makes the fuze stand out compared to the other two.
It has the worst damage output, worst defense strength. worst armor piercing, and tied for the worst mobility. Its' one advantage over the salamander is that it can attack from 2 range. Its' one advantage over the mantisse is that is costs 50 credits less.
Neither of which means all that much when you compare it with all the other advantages of the other amphibians by comparison.
I'd rather take the 200 credit option than using the 250 with the same repair values. For me, Salamanders are now pretty effective units, only if pitted against melee units and it's also not so useful against Swarmer spams in kvk despute the aerial buff.
Re: Fuze vs. Mantisse. For 50 credits, you get 1 additional damage to ground light, 1 additional damage to aerial, 10% piercing to aerial, 2 additional mobility, and 2 defense strength. If you don't think that's worth 50 credits, I'm not sure what to tell you. After typing it all out, it makes it even more clear how weak the fuze is.
The fuze should really be buffed in some way to make it worth it. Maybe it should have 2 repair or possibly even a small move after attack so it makes it easier to get out of harm's way?
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Might be it works fine to fight hydro and battleship. But first you have to get four of those and then you have to bring them close.... Quite tricky.
With the speed they have.... 
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Duaneski wrote:Fuze and mantisse are both just BETTER swarmers... with terrain bonus and considering their cost, they're like better than swarmers ever were pre nerf.
So, I'm changing all of my teams and no longer playing as khral until they get sorted out.
how you think they are better ? Mantisse vs swarmer is equal when mantisse is on swamp.. othervise swarmer wins. Move, heal and cost is same. Mantisse can cap yes, but it would rarely be the case where you use a 250 unit to cap.
on plain mantisse does 3-4 to swarmer - wich does 6 in return
fuze on plain vs swarmer is 3 dammage vs 7 in return..
https://unicalc.github.io/web/desktop
I just dont get why you think they are BETTER swarmers...
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simsverd wrote:
Duaneski wrote:Fuze and mantisse are both just BETTER swarmers... with terrain bonus and considering their cost, they're like better than swarmers ever were pre nerf.
So, I'm changing all of my teams and no longer playing as khral until they get sorted out.
how you think they are better ? Mantisse vs swarmer is equal when mantisse is on swamp.. othervise swarmer wins. Move, heal and cost is same. Mantisse can cap yes, but it would rarely be the case where you use a 250 unit to cap.
on plain mantisse does 3-4 to swarmer - wich does 6 in return
fuze on plain vs swarmer is 3 dammage vs 7 in return..
https://unicalc.github.io/web/desktop
I just dont get why you think they are BETTER swarmers...
Because 2 mantisse or 2 fuze can kill infantry on a mountain. While swarmers can't.
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