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Jul 06, 2017 17:25

Subject: 800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

The Impaler

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Many people say that asymmetric maps have no place in 1v1 ranked matches, but I believe it is possible! I challenge you, the people of uniwar, to prove me right.

Rewards:
1st Place: 500 unicoins
2nd Place: 200 unicoins
3rd Place: 100 unicoins

Big thanks to Duaneski for providing half the prize pool!!!!

Maps do not have to be new, they can be past creations that need a little love, but they must be 1v1. Maximum 2 map submissions, only one of them can win!

Deadline: Extended to August 13

The grading is subjective in nature, so I may ask questions directly to the map makers about balance so that I do not improperly judge them (maybe even playtesting them myself), and may ask the mapmakers kik (consisting of many notable mapmaker names, including MasterYoda and Jeffph79) for confirmation of my opinions to reduce bias. I will not play favorites with anyone, everyone has equal opportunity. Feel free to make a joint submission!

Maps will be awarded a grade on the following scale:

Balance: /40
- Equal # of bases. (5)
- Equal access to uncaptured bases/cities. (5)
- Equal chance to win control of the major conflict areas. (10)
- No major advantages to any race. (10)
- No major advantages to player 1 or 2. (10)

Enjoyability: /20
- Minimal chance of buildups (either a small map or forced conflict) (10)
- Interesting dynamics and conflicts (5)
- Everyone likes unique maps! (themes, styles, unlike most maps in ranked) (5)

Playtesting: /10
- # of versions (2=2pts, 3+=5pts) (5)
- # of games played on all versions cumulative (5= 2pts, 10+=5pts) (5)
- If you find nothing to correct after 10+ plays, you will also not be penalized on the # of versions

Level of Asymmetry: /30
- Everyone should get around 25/30 here, this is to reduce points from people that have mostly symmetrical submissions. 0/30 for 100% symmetric maps.

Total: /100

Send all versions of the maps to The Impaler as a personal message with the subject "Asymmetric Map Challenge"

Good Luck!

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Jul 06, 2017 19:09

Subject: Re:Asymmetric Map Challenge

wookieontheweb

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Are there any asymmetrical maps in 1v1 random ranked?

The restrictions of equal starting units and bases enforced by the map tool make it tricky too. However i will accept your challenge!

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Jul 06, 2017 19:31

Subject: Re:Asymmetric Map Challenge

The Impaler

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I don't believe any are ranked, and if they are they don't last long. I think it is merely because it is more difficult to balance so people have not tried (and because noobs downvote)

Jul 08, 2017 16:27

Subject: Re:Asymmetric Map Challenge

Jeffph79

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It is not easy to make a asymetrical map espically since map editor has built restrictions to prevent it but it has been enjoyable to create a very different style map

Jul 08, 2017 20:42

Subject: Re:Asymmetric Map Challenge

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Jeffph79 wrote:It is not easy to make a asymetrical map espically since map editor has built restrictions to prevent it but it has been enjoyable to create a very different style map

capture bases can't, but routing and survival game modes can

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Jul 08, 2017 21:56

Subject: Re:Asymmetric Map Challenge

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jeffph cant you just have the bases uncaptured with a marine on top?

ehat restrictions?

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Jul 09, 2017 17:49

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

Jeffph79

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The editor does not allow different amount of bases, different amount of starting units. If u make it one of the challenge maps though it takes away those restrictions.

Jul 09, 2017 18:06

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

uw-sandman

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Capture enemy bases requires an equal count of starting owned bases. Although this is an asymmetry challenge, you don't want it to be a broken map. As far as I understand it, the entries should be as balanced as possible.. so even start bases shouldn't be an issue.

There isn't a restriction on uncapped bases or amount of cities.
Only starting owned.

It may also require the same starting units but I don't recall.
Also, if your authoriginal account doesn't have additional units you won't be able to place them.. but placing some of the newer unit types will allow people who don't own them yet to at least use what is given on a map from the start.

Hope this helps

Jul 17, 2017 02:44

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

The Impaler

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Thanks sandman.

Yes Jeff, I still expect the maps to be balanced as well as possible, and I assume that there is no way to balance a map with uneven bases. I might be missing something, but I dont see his as an issue.

Jul 17, 2017 10:50

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

wookieontheweb

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uw-sandman wrote:...
There isn't a restriction on uncapped bases or amount of cities.
Only starting owned.
It may also require the same starting units but I don't recall.

All these statements are true, also the map will tell you when you go to play mode.

There are some very frustrating things about testing this
1 - The damn AI will just leap off all the cities, crippling its income
2 - You still cannot start as anything other than player 1 - I even created a copy of the map with all the selected bases and starting units swapped
3 - To balance cities vs bases you need way more space, which means much larger maps. I think although 2*city = base, I think its closer to 3* in play because a base always gives credits even when a unit is not present and also a base can give positive defence/attack whereas a city is always negative, even to aerial.

My first 2 attempts at this challenge are poor, but I've not given up yet. Deadline is looking optimistic

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Jul 18, 2017 15:18

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

The Impaler

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Glad you are optimistic wookie! Consider using a friend to test your map

Aug 12, 2017 20:39

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

Jeffph79

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When will the announcements start being made?

Aug 16, 2017 16:29

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

The Impaler

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The marking has begun! I'll soon post the front runners.

Aug 16, 2017 17:49

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

wookieontheweb

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Can you post the entrants?

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Aug 17, 2017 02:07

Subject: Re:800UC - Asymmetric Map Challenge

The Impaler

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21 maps in all! Who will win???

Prime Carrot: [link://1,54516,Galactic Mass V2,2,2]
Roadkill: [link://1,54566,Asymmetrical Bulwarks,3,2]
Toxa15: [link://1,44646,Infinitum,0,2]
MasterNewman: [link://1,54703,Asymetrical,1,2]
[link://1,54587,ASYMETRICAL EARTH,0,2]
Angkor: [link://1,54621,Big Latina Assymetry,0,2]
[link://1,55173,Mad Moose - Furry Road,4,2]
LexTalonis: [link://1,55212,Inaequalis,0,2]
V3T3R4N C4RN4G3: [link://1,55010,First Contact 3,2,2]
OmegaD: [link://1,43877,Citadel,0,2]
Bakes: [link://1,55237,Assymetric Challenge,0,2] (joke entry, its an ass map)
[link://1,55244,Radially Asymetric,3,2]
Jeffph79: [link://1,55257,Crossfire hurricane v3,4,2]
[link://1,54653,Hells Wishing well,3,2]
Frostbyte: [link://1,55379,TwoIsForTwoWeeks,1,2]
Toxa: [link://1,55394,Sorrow3,1,2]
Brakez: [link://1,54858,Asteroid wars,3,2]
WookieOnTheWeb: [link://1,55457,Metropolis conquest,4,2]
Batteries: [link://1,55513,Mismatchey v2,0,2]
Scratches10128: [link://1,56005,Mainland vs Peninsula v5 Final,2,2]
Duaneski: [link://1,56036,Winterfell v5,1,2]

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