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Jul 25, 2009 11:10

Subject: Scoring Games

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When playing vs. the Uniwar server, why is the scoring so lopsided? Losing a game against the "system" costs about 30 points, when winning a game only results in 2-5 points?

Jul 25, 2009 14:16

Subject: Re:Scoring Games

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All of the bots are fairly easy to beat and therefore have really low ratings. For scoring purposes, they are treated just like real players. If you are 1500 and lose to an 1100, you lose a lot of points. If you win, you only get a few. The logic behind this is obvious.

Jul 29, 2009 11:16

Subject: Re:Scoring Games

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We both have an assumption: yours..."The logic behind this is obvious", and mine was that the scoring was lopsided. Both could be incorrect. Without an established method scoring base to go by, "bot" games were the only way I could gauge scoring. But a roughly 10x loss factor for losing a game still seems a bit harsh.

My assumption was that about the same amount of points lost would nearly equal the same as points gained as in many other electronic games; or, a slightly higher penalty factor of, lets say, 1.5 or 2. But the system really punishes those who lose with 10 or so factoring. Fair enough...to keep it simple, the bottom line: don't lose and live with it!
Thanks for your response.

Jul 29, 2009 11:52

Subject: Re:Scoring Games

GameShaman

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As I said above, it's because your rank (which I assume was 1500) was much higher than the bots (which are usually between 1100 and 1200). All Bots have horrible rankings and if you lose to them, your rank will take a hit.

If you were to play another person who was 1500, you would either gain or lose 20 if you lost or won.

If you play someone who is 2000, they would lose a lot of points if you beat them and gain very little because your skill is so much lower than theirs.

Think of it like a guy on the PGA (2000 ranking) playing someone in High School (1500 ranking). The PGA player is supposed to win almost every time, so he should gain almost nothing for beating up on the High School kid and the High School kid shouldn't lose much either, because he is expected to lose. Now, if that High School kid actually beats the PGA player, he should gain a lot, because it was a great challenge and the PGA player should lose a lot because he should have mopped the floor with the High School kid.

So, assuming rankings are accurate assessments of skill level and your skill level was 1500. What should you get the most points for, beating up a guy whose ranking is 1100? 1500? 1900? The 1100 guy shouldn't be much of a challenge for you, so you shouldn't get much for beating them and if you happen to lose, you should lose a lot (which you do), because you can't beat someone 400 points lower in skill level than you. Now, the 1500 guy, you should supposedly be evenly matched with them, so if you win or lose, you should gain or lose the same amount of points (which you do). Finally, the 1900 guy is 400 skill points above you, he should beat you almost every time. If you lose to him, he shouldn't get much for beating you and you shouldn't lose much either because he is supposed to win. But, if you happen to beat him, the skill between you shouldn't be as much, so you gain a lot of points and he loses a lot. All of these are what happens and it is logical.

Now, if the bots skill level were 1500, you would have seen a similar gain/loss in your games. But because the bots are easily beaten (as you can tell by their records), their skill levels have dropped very low. They did start out at 1500, but just like anyone else, they have gone down over time by losing games and rankings.

Hopefully this clears things up and helps you understand how the scoring system works.

~Jeff

Aug 12, 2009 09:40

Subject: Scoring Games

Anonymous

Ok...thanks again!

Aug 12, 2009 10:35

Subject: Scoring Games

Anonymous

bots need better AI. they're clearly not very bright.

Aug 25, 2009 17:09

Subject: Scoring Games

gunther84

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Anonymous wrote: bots need better AI. they're clearly not very bright.

The bots are pretty dumb, however this is true of most strategy games when you think about it. Where the developers really focused their efforts is on the player vs player game play, and this is where Uniwar is most fun. Its hard to get a AI to think logically.

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