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Jan 17, 2016 12:49

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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I think that since the pyreans don't convert or get converted, it can fit into the circle. So it would work like this

Titans assimilate pawn and underling but get reprogrammed by engineers and (race a) dominate their mechas

Sapiens reprogram race a and mechas, but get infected by infectors and converged by strategist

Khrals infect marines and pawns, but get assimilated by assimilators and dominated by (race a)

Convergence converges with marines and (race a) but get assimilated by assimilator and infected by infectord

(Race a) dominates underling and mechas, but can be converged by strategist and reprogrammed by engineers.

Race B cannot be converted or convert.

I'm not sure if phasers count as a or B. I think they fit a better, but daus doesn't seem to want them to convert. Possibly, we could end up having a race C that fits in all the demands of race a. I think pyreans already fit B, and could fit a.

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Jan 17, 2016 13:57

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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Love the Q&A

Lotta stuff for me to read through once I get some free time!

As for the Phasers, I don't want them to have a convert ability currently , but if there is
A) a matchup they're hurting in (say, vs Saps) then maybe giving them a marine convert would be an 'easy' bandaid
B) same thing in reverse. If there's a matchup these guys are dominating , then make their units susceptible versus those races support unit. I am willing to go the whole 9 yards there - susceptible to plague, UV, EMP, aaaand reprogram infect and assimilate. I kind of hope the race is strong enough to justify giving them that weakness

But, I don't wanna take your thread in the wrong direction either :p

I feel like I need to go back and look at all of your units again. With the fire race added in there's like, 60+ units in my head I'm trying to keep straight!! :p

Jan 17, 2016 17:46

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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So they can convert any unit but be converted by everyone.... OK that sounds good. But now we'll need someone to make a race C. Maybe the enyalios.

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Jan 17, 2016 18:16

Subject: The convergence; new race

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So, there's Phasing, Convergence, Pyreans, and Enyalios. What now?

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Jan 17, 2016 18:21

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

Apercent

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It depends on if the enaylios guy is still active. if not, then we will have to make race c ourselves. or wait for someone else to make it. or edit race b to fit into its stats.

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Jan 17, 2016 21:41

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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Hey dausenki you mind if our races swap places? I just realized that
A) pawns can become 5 different pieces in chess if the reach the end of the board and there is 5 different races ( need I go on?)
B). Pawns are the perfect thing for everyone to convert because they are brainless body (it makes sense)
C). Potential, lots of potential, with being able to stack a strategist on top of another strategist and use this to convert things into "super units". ( I have zero ideas on what the units are. All I've got is a vision and a dream ( of a giant robot underling)).

It's OK if you say no.

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Jan 22, 2016 03:18

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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Edit: I'll drop it. I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable

Jan 22, 2016 03:26

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Question and Answer:

Q: inspiration?
A: Mostly lifeline. I'd paste a passage from the app but I don't want to spoil it. Anyways, the green aliens are inspired from the aliens on lifeline, who I hear were inspired from the ones in the martin. So anyways, these are mostly inspired by sci-fi

Not to mention, the creepy noises my vents make. They inspired a lot of the strategist (I want to change that name), because in lifeline they're more or less dull undescribed creatures.

Q: Race drawbacks? Race benefits?
A: Benefit: fast healing cycle, and numerous defensive strategies.
Drawbacks: Bad for attacks, and costy at times. Most units are hard to use without a stragetist behind them.

Q: do you think this is balanced?
A: yes. And why not?

Q: What's your biggest worry about this race?
A: I wonder if the rook is over or underpowered. He's got 20 health, but he's got really low defense! I'm not sure.

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Jan 22, 2016 14:42

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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Apercent wrote:Hey dausenki you mind if our races swap places? I just realized that
A) pawns can become 5 different pieces in chess if the reach the end of the board and there is 5 different races ( need I go on?)
B). Pawns are the perfect thing for everyone to convert because they are brainless body (it makes sense)
C). Potential, lots of potential, with being able to stack a strategist on top of another strategist and use this to convert things into "super units". ( I have zero ideas on what the units are. All I've got is a vision and a dream ( of a giant robot underling)).

It's OK if you say no.

I just now saw this. I'm not unfomfortable w the idea or anything, but honestly I'm not sure what you mean :p

I think the important things are
1) a race is balanced within Uniwar
2) it brings simple, fun, unique rules to the table
3) rules art and flavor all come together to make a race people enjoy playing as

So that's all I'm shooting for at this point. I feel like I am close on 1, need some work on 2, and a lot lot of work on 3.

Next for my race is to simplify some rules (taking away most likely) .. I think simplification is needed in some of your races rules as well. But I think you're mostly balanced and you're well set at 3.

I think the pyreans need work on 1 and 2. But are exceptional at 3.

Ofc this is just one persons opinion

As far as orders ... I don't imagine I would have a problem w us flipping or what have you. Just again not sure what that means

Jan 22, 2016 17:03

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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Yeah your probably right. Too many abilities and too much explaintions, I think. I'll work on making them simpler.

Jan 25, 2016 22:05

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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Victory screens:

Judging from all of the uncomfortable-shuffling noises i hear, you all didn't think about victory pictures(the pictures that you see if you win at the end of a game), did you?

S v C:
It's going to focus on a normal human who is apparently surrounded by other humans who are chasing him
You can tell that all of the people surronding him are knighted marines(I changed the name, to mimic how when you move a pawn to the end of a chess board, you can change it to any other chess peice) because of their bright green eyes.
If I had drawing skills (and I do (not)) than I would try to make the knighted marines as shadowy as possible to make the scene look terrifying. You would basically only be able to see a shadowy outlines of a human bodies, and very bright green eyes

(In the event of a sapiens victory)
You'd see the same victory screen as the one on S v S. The guy raising the flag over the cliff in a heroic manner

K v C
Well I'm not sure yet

T v C
You'd see a titan city, with Bright green lights all over the city towers. However, the lights don't look like led or Christmas lights or anything. If you want to see what I see, than drop a little water in 4 different places on a small piece of paper towel. Watch as the water slowly spreads out, and the water from point 1 will eventually reach the water from point 2, and eventually the water from point 3 and 4. Imagine that happened instead with green light, or dye your water. Now imagine you took a picture right before the water connected. That's what it looks the victory scene looks like

(In the event of a titan victory)
You see a whole lot of assimilated pawns, to the point of which it looks like they outnumber the originals. I'm not to sure what I want out of this picture yet

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Jan 25, 2016 22:08

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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PH v C:

You see an avatar glowing bright green... And all of the other phasers appear to be bowing down to it. Soon enough. They will submit.

If I was an artist, i would draw it like one of those pictures of Jesus, so it looks holy.

PR v C :
So you see a pyreans body, it the style of a blood eagle (this is a reference to their history as an angel). However, you can see a hole in its head, and it's eyes still glow a faint green.

If I was an artist, I'd make this a little subtle so that you couldn't see all of the Gore, but you could tell what happened. Also, I want it to appear like the pyreans willingly committed suicide under the control of the convergence.

Pyreans are the only ones who can deny the convergence control over their bodies. They believe all souls are unique and think that they don't have to submit to the convergence. Naturally, their warriors are immune to combination.

However. This directly contridicts the pyreans philosophy, because this would mean that the wariror eventually submitted to the convergence. So for now, the pyreans deny that the blood angels are anything but hoaxes made by the convergence. Hoax or not, they are still very demoralizing to pyrean troops.

As for the event of convergence defeats, the creators of the races can write the defeat pics for the convergence

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Jan 25, 2016 22:16

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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@Duaknesi: I meant that if my race could convert any race and be converted by any other race. Than again, I could see that being problematic for either of our races (your infantry's main claim to fame is being able to sneak behind enemy lines, however, that could be ruined by any support unit unless you move en mass.
My race has a defensive unit that needs to stay in place to be used for its ability) so I'm willing to just forget about it

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Jan 25, 2016 22:34

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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As for defeat pictures... I'll be back later to type them

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Jan 26, 2016 13:50

Subject: Re:The convergence; new race

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I'm thinking about taking away quadratic healing and giving the pawn 2 repair rate instead... What do you guys think?

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