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Jun 12, 2009 09:53

Subject: Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

newuser

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I'm really tired of games that devolve into pure helicopter wars. Helos are good pieces, I wouldn't want you to change or cripple them. Just charge more to encourage a better mix of pieces where people will get them only for where they are most useful.

Jun 12, 2009 11:35

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

exile

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I would think to keep the same cost, but rather make tanks of all races more effective against them.

Jun 12, 2009 13:00

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

Gargoyle

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Be careful what you wish for! They just made helos only +1 instead of +2 when they heal, and reduced their effectiveness against Ground Light.

Jun 12, 2009 13:13

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

newuser

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Interesting timing .... still I like my solution better. Oh well.

Jun 12, 2009 13:28

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

colin

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can someone repost the info regarding these changes? i saw a server message pop up in-game but my attempt at scrolling it faster took me out of the game...

Jun 12, 2009 13:30

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

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Here it is verbatim:

Note: To improve the game balance, Helicopter units have been updated.Their repair point is now 1 (before 2) and their Ground Light Attack is now 12 instead of 13.The UniWar Team

Jun 12, 2009 13:30

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

exile

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Helos only heal for +1 and only do 12 dmg instead of 13

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Jun 12, 2009 14:00

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

colin

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thanks a lot

Will this affect games already in progress?

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Jun 12, 2009 14:35

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

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Will this affect games already in progress?

Ha! I have an air-war game (almost all helos) where just before the change my opponent repaired a bunch of his helos and mine were mostly below 5. Luckily I already had the upper hand and also had an engineer in place to make them respectable but the timing would have lost me that game if it were closer.

Jun 22, 2009 08:00

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

waflz27

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i dont think ur gonna want that then the plasma tank and the pinzer will have 2 go up 2 keep fair

Jun 22, 2009 12:56

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

lion37

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I am sorry, but helis are still too powerfull even after the change.

Too many of my games are devolving into nothing more than massive Heli wars.
This just becomes boring as the other 2 races have no units that can credibly stand up to an army of Helis backed up by 2 engineers at home that keep repairing them.

The Heli's are very manuvarable and can easily launch multiple attacks on a singe base, then hover over that base once its defender is killed.

Its very diffuclt to kill a Heli such that they usually take some damage but then manage to retreat back home where 2 engineers are ready to repair them.

Jun 22, 2009 14:20

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

lordertz

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My solutions to this is definitely to reduce post attack movement by half...ie 1 square. This would not reduce the power of the heli, raise it's cost, but just make it less ridiculous when retreating and healing.

Jun 22, 2009 14:36

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

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lordertz wrote: My solutions to this is definitely to reduce post attack movement by half...ie 1 square. This would not reduce the power of the heli, raise it's cost, but just make it less ridiculous when retreating and healing.

Trying to stay "real" and fun I think you should keep the movement the same. Helicopters are all about mobility and it's great to have differences between the races. Everyone is complaining (rightly) that the helis are too good so raise the cost to match what they are really worth ... that will force them to be used more sparingly and make the game more fun.

It's like the old saying about government if you want less of something Tax it, and if you want more of something Subsidize it.

Jun 22, 2009 18:10

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

magic molly

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I think garudas are actually an OPed counter to them. infectors triple their repair rate, and can also infect the helis. They have the same attack v air, just the heli has 11 defence instead of the garudas 8. A buried underling can easily sneak back and kill an engie in 3 turns, maybe 4. Played properly, khrals are better than saps at air. (especially if you get arty in the battle)

Jun 23, 2009 04:41

Subject: Re:Make Helicopters cost 550 points instead of 500

lion37

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Please.
Anyone playing the game knows that garudas are no match for Helis.

The Helis can attack and fall back in the same round. This means that swarm on swarm, the garudas almost always get killed and the helis almost always escape to get repaired.

Send in underlings to kill the engineers - sure that might work in some cases, but is not nearly as easy as you make it sound.

"khrals are better than saps at air" - you must be kidding me - does anyone else think so?

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