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The unit charts on the site here claim that pawn (marine/mecha/uling) defense values drop by -3 when capturing. However, in-game results suggest that this is wrong, that rather they seem like they get their full defense value plus the +2 for being on a base. Can anyone (Kralux) confirm that the site listings are old/wrong? Anyway fyi to others.

Example implication: if there is a defense penalty, a full strength wyrm and one swarmer will kill a capturing mecha with pretty much complete certainty; if not there's maybe a 1 in 5 chance the mecha will survive (which I saw twice messing around today).

Personally, I prefer the absence of a penalty, (a) capturing bases is their primary mission so they should be good at it , and (b) the game is more likely to move fast and be strategically interesting when base captures make for stronger threats (like mate threats work in chess).
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Hmmm
Well I can say that the in game charts say they get a +2 defense bonus when capturing a bases...
I think the site chart is wrong then, but uhh you can can wait for kralux for confirmation

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oh where in game is that +2 reference? just checked and couldn't see it. That would be in addition to +2 on base? That might be more consistent with what I saw (e.g. I couldn't get a wyrm and swarmer to stop a mecha capture on now 4 tries. that normal? I would've thought that was safe base defense...)
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I think standing on a base and capturing a base are the same thing...not sure though

and yes I think that's probably normal...mechas are the strongest defensively of the three pawns.

It'll be easier to decide point damage after the next update You're using an i-device right?

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yessir, iPhone. Do we know if the new damage predictor gives a range (e.g. 5-7), an estimate or what? I assume it doesn't pre-calculate the damage, that would be weird.
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yeah I'm not sure either. I'm asking cap'n in the other thread here

apparently android users already have the update.

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Unfair! :o

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I would have to say from x-y damage because of the random factor in the damage calculation of uniwar. I'm geussing that it will calculate The maximum and minimum damage using the bonuses and penaltys of terrain, gang-up and the ninja-ling sneak attack bonus. The patch was supposed to be released today, so we should know soon. (Whenever apple decides to put the update on the app store)

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I had always thought that standing on a base gets the same bonuses as capturing it
I'd say thts normal waxoid

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[in regard to the damage estimators] In case you haven't seen the other thread, the numbers given are an estimate as I have had actual results vary by one point so far. I'm guessing on rare cases it may even be 2 off but haven't seen it yet. I've also had different estimates shown for the same matchup on occasion. (i.e. I have a mecha within range of two swarmers of equal health and the estimates are strangely not the same, but vary by a point or so)

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ZALLYWOO!!!!!
Nix, i thought that too, and that's what I still believe. At least a swarmer on a capturing marine doesn't do as much damage than when he is on marshes (7 against 4 or so).
So i'd say this -3 rule doesn't exist, and rather they take on the defense bonus the base gives.

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In fact, there is something about it in the rules...
"Certain units are able to capture bases and harbors. While capturing, a unit will have lower defense, but can counter-attack if the attacker is in range. It takes on round to capture a base or harbor and the unit is lost after the capture"
Apparently there IS a defense malus when capturing... but I never noticed it

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NICKOOOOOO!!!!

Looks like it may be time to do some tests... If I remember I'll look into it. I got my Ipod taken away so I'll get back to this thread in a few days...

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ZALLYWOOOOOOOOOOOO

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I can't say there were any for yours either xD But I'll change it becuase I'm nice.

I did do the tests, and a base stealing mecha/marine/underling is not effected by any defence reduction, it recieves the normal bonus from the base but nothing else.

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