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Dec 18, 2010 11:55

Subject: underling resurface bonus 6->4

waxoid

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and a binary cheer was rapidly circulated across the Titan comm-net.

Dec 18, 2010 17:07

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

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They nerfed ants?

Haven't been on in a bit, so sorry if I'm out of the loop.

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Dec 18, 2010 17:17

Subject: underling resurface bonus 6->4

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There was an in-game message to that effect, resurface bonus from 6 to 4 to support or improve (can't remember the wording) game balance.

Dec 18, 2010 17:31

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

nfong

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Well, titans probably rein supreme on Dead Monk now.

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Dec 18, 2010 18:03

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

waxoid

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indeed. vengeance is best served methodically.

seems already updated in-game (they can do that from server side?) Surfacing underling on plains vs. assimilator on base... -8.

Dec 19, 2010 00:46

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

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This is such a noob balance update xD.

Dec 19, 2010 10:55

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

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you saying (a) only noobs encounter a khral/titan imbalance or (b) only noobs would think ant resurface is an important factor? I think (b) is debatable and somewhat map driven, but resurface can be a pretty significant factor both in large walker siege situations as well as in tight small maps like Dead Monk. (Which do you disagree with? I know for example iluvkim doesn't use underlings heavily but he chooses maps where mass aerial + levi or wyrm are enough.)

Dec 19, 2010 18:06

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

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This seems like a pretty good nerf. Before on Dead Monk, fending off those Krahl ants were incredibly hard, if not impossible. The more mechas I made, the more ants my opponent made, until I finally decided to make some walkers, which led to my downfall. Those ants also took care of my plasmas pretty quick, with a resurface/wyrm combo.

Waxoid, how much damage does a resurfaced ant do to a assimilator on the same terrain? I'm guessing 9...

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Dec 19, 2010 19:34

Subject: Re:underling resurface bonus 6->4

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Still a guaranteed 1-hit if the bonuses are equal (e.g. both on plains). To 1-hit the point delta needs to be 10; ants are 6 vs. ground light +4 resurface, so by default they just make it. Now though, any bonus in favor of assimilator means it lives, e.g. both on forest might hit for 9. (Because of the round down and 6x rolls it's extremely unlikely to do 10 points of damage if the attack delta is only 9... you have to roll a 20-sided die 60 times and never roll a 0.)

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