LkASr wrote:I made a proposal on how changes would look like:

The current stats and my proposed changes:

http://imgur.com/a/VeQc4


1. I like the idea of having very fast Tanks in the field, that way it can support better despite of the armor shedding

2. I didn't like the idea of Marauders getting their (only) strength nerfed
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3. Since the Swarmer is pretty squishy, why not give it an ability called Vulture, which basically means that it can attack again after killing a unit, but it can't move

4. I thought of the idea of making Garuda as another Marauder, shedding stats for double actions, making the Garuda a more optimal anti-heli and anti-swarmer, but being weaker to ground units

5. Pinzer would be ruining the balance of PvH fights so as well as ruining the balance if should the Garuda overhaul be agreed with, so I'd suggest putting it back to 2

6. Leviathan's vision is a complete joke, so having 5 is better
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7. As of the meta of Plasmas, they're too slow on desert-rich maps, why not buff its mobility a bit, but at a cost of power vs aerials

8. I'd like Speeders to be more annoying so, how about buffing their move after attack mobility by 2

9. Eclipses are really devastating against aerials, which can really be a problem sometimes, why not nerf it a bit, since it can shoot up to 2 tiles away

10. Walker can only attack or move in a single turn and it can get to a lot of trouble when anything gets too close to it when there could be obstacles that can put a death sentence to it, add its mobility by 1.

11. Hydronauts would really dominate in 1on1 sea battles because of its vision, costing other races a lot of credits to shut it down, nerfing it by 1 would equate the outcome, I mean, a Hydronaut shouldn't be fighting by itself and should be in a small group.
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12. I thought of the idea of making unique terrain advantages to the infantries, Marines would be advantageous in the mountains, Underlings would be advantageous in forests, Mechas would be advantageous in bases and also, I'd want their penalties be reduced a bit, just like the advantages above, Marines suffer less in deserts, Underlings suffer less in swamps, and Mechas suffer less offensively in deserts and defensively in swamps.

  Apercent wrote:Not to be problematic (I know I can be) but can't we put a time limit on instead? Like perhaps, for uniwarriors who've been on for six months or 3 months or something? I feel like it takes time more so to understand this game than scores.

Or perhaps that's just me trying to stay in the argument.

  simsverd wrote:@Kroeger: I think discussions about evolving units would be ok for all to discuss... but detailed balance adjustments require more skill/experience.
Perhaps set a limit to who should post (recomendation) at 2000+ ? (no offence meant to some of the posters, but i think the thread is is somewhat cluttered with comments that dont add sufficent usable input)

I think balance is pretty good now, but i agree that Sap still has a little edge on Khral.
I suggest swarmer +1/+2 GL

  LkASr wrote:have you seen my suggested balancing sheet yet, sims? It's in the very end of the 1st page

  simsverd wrote:
you are making my point...

  simsverd wrote:@Duaneski: There are high level discussions also that dont reach the forums... and sometimes i am tempted to do this as a google docs discussion with all 2000+ players that want to participate
...but since i am not the one in charge i am merely being grumphy here at the forum. Kroeger is organizing the discussions and the devs have the final say.

  Kroeger wrote:Thank you everyone for your input. It seems like we all agree that +1 or +2 G.L. would serve the Swarmer well. I will give Xavi my best recommendation on this.

I have a concern I would appreciate being discussed.

With added team play, I am noticing that mecha expansion is in many team maps is unstoppable. Currently, if you are playing team ranked and don't have a titan, I believe you will loose 33% immediately due to maps. Let's brainstorm a solution. The only solution I have heard that I like is to reduce the Mecha's sight while he is disabled. This would dramatically slow down the titans rate of expansion, right? This would also help cut down extra "undo exploration" from the titans. Please discuss pros and cons?