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The subject says it all, ive noticed that helicopters take quite a beating from garudas. 500cc to 350cc and garuads usually take more damage than the helicopter. If you use marines to help thats 600cc-900cc (depending on how many marines there are of course) just to take down a 350cc unit. Helicopters (in my opinion) should atleast be worth 500cc and have a slight boost in either repair, attack, or defense. Reply if you agree or disagree with me.
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As I said in the other thread NO WAY.

Heli's rock, hard.

Two kill a Garuda in one round, the can gang up like swarm of bitch, they move fast, escape easy, and are hell on wheels for camping enemy bases.

If anything they are still TOO STRONG!
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of course 2 helicopters are going to kill a garuda! thats 1000cc vs 350cc. Thing is though, every sapien player knows that they REQUIRE another unit to damage the garuda so their helicopter does take 5 damage. Its just not fair that a 350cc unit can seriously damage a 500cc unit. And yes I know that the helicopter can move after it attacks, but it doesnt make up for its equal stats to the garuda (im not saying this post is always helo vs garuda im just using this unit as an example.
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Id say that's close to the only example you'd be able to come up with
But if you're khraleans and you see an enemy helicopter, how do you take it down??
One garuda won't do it, It will just damage it,
Are you saying helis should be able to do 5 or 6 on Garuda and take close to no damage?
Giving them a repair of two would be just mean and overpower them
They are definitely not nerfed too much


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Im just saying that helicopters should be bumped up a defensive point or two. It can only take 1 garuda to deal half of a helicopter's health. Also if you take 3 garudas and 2 helicopters 1050cc vs 1000cc you will see that the 3 garudas will with 2 garudas remaining. A pretty big difference for 50cc
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Pie you tested this...right?
Who did you give first strike to?
I can almost garentee you gave it to garudas..

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Yes I did test this, and helicopters went first.
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read this...
go to "what's new in the latest updates" and then read the thread, "random attack factor too extreme."

It's all about luck, really, between garudas and helis.

When life gives you lemons...

"TAKE YOUR DAMN LEMONS BACK, LIFE. I DON'T WANT YOUR STINKIN' LEMONS."
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@pie....
never attack three garudas with two helis....really?
at least bring a few marines along to take a hit first before attacking with the heli.

note: I'd rather have 5 marines and two marauders in an aerial war than two helis.
It's all about numbers...gangup bonus does wonders.


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It was a test nfong, I was testing that the helicopters are too weak (which they are, 2 helos lost against 3 garudas, again its 1000 to 1050cc. I even redid this test multiple times (not rigging either side) and every time garudas won with 2 units remaining. I even decided to test 5 helicopters against 7 garudas (2500cc to 2400). Garuda win yet again with 2-4 units remaining. Gangup bonus helps but it doesnt win everything.
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Yes, but technically what you did wouldn't be a real war situation...
2 helis wouldn't attack 3 garudas in a battle.
There would be other units in play.

3 marines can kill a garuda...

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If you attack 3 garudas with 2 helis, then you don't know how to play...
Seriously, a smart sapien player would weaken the garuda first with a marine, or a battery if he is lucky enough to get one.

Doing these "tests" are just stupid IMO, it's like taking aquatic units and hitting head on, seeing who will win, completely neglecting the possibility of use of their advantages (vision, mobility and power for the destroyer; cheapness for the leviathan and range for the hydronaut)

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well it also only takes 3 marines to kill a helicopter (or damage it to the point of immediate repair) even though it can move after attack, in the the true battle frield its practically only used as a mop, just clearing out those weakened units, becuase it takes damage alittle too easily. sure it can move after it attacks, but that doesnt stop it from taking a beating while defending itself.
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  Nicko wrote:
Seriously, a smart sapien player would weaken the garuda first with a marine, or a battery if he is lucky enough to get one.


Exactly! Let your marine take a hit first! Good call nicko, good call!

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I think that the Helicopters should have the price of 450 and bump of an attack point or a bit of defense. After all, if a good Sapiens player plays a good Khral player the Saps win, so why should they be made better? If anything they should be bumped down to make it more even. Remember that the helicopter can win against Titan ships which cost 800.

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